. . . . . entries for 10.10.05 . . . . .
Talking to Neal makes me giggle.
5:40PM
Neal: hey will u to manchester if we have room , we need 2 more ppl or so to make it a school sponsered trip
so
me: no, man, I'm going to CBA.
Neal: why?
me: because I want to be with the novices for their first local tournament.
Neal: lol im letting my good friend novice run my cases so i cant really be there
hes starting Varsity i think
me: that'll be interesting.
Neal: hell own
i told he has three options
1) win novice 2) prolly place jv 3) varsity uncertain
he hasnt decided yet
i ran brainards cases many times last year
i simplified the rhetoric
to make it local tourney friendly
but ran his ideas
whatdo u think he should do
5:45PM
?
varsity novice or jv
me: I'd let him go novice his first time.
but it's his choice.
Neal: kk
me: I think it'd be best to experience each of the levels, even if varsity is the ultimate destination.
Neal: first novice tourneys are so illegit im worried about it , like thats how aditya won his case writing is the worst thing ive ever seen
like i dont want our novices becoming aditya
me: ah, I see. xD
Neal: he won his first tourney and he dropped 0-5 at yale
me: I won my bids pretty early too.
so it could be that I'm completely terrible as well. :P
Neal: lol no ive seen ur cases
plus u helped me with my cases
and ur defintaley not terrible
u beat ardevan and hes a legit national circuit debater
ur problem is u refuse help
which is ridiclious b/c every varsity debater has been coached
me: it's my problem, though, not yours. :P
Neal: yes it is but i dont see anything wrong in a coach
a coach is like a tutor
5:50PM
they point u in the right direction
u do the work
me: I have never had a tutor, either.
a lot of people I know have; a few have recommended that I get one.
but it's just that I prefer getting places on my own steam, even if it's harder or unusual or puts me at a disadvantage.
it feels more honest to me.
Neal: lol its just making life more dificult but i respect that
i believe in utilizing your resources b/c thatsa what u do in real life
CEOs dont know shit they just know how to find ppl that do
me: I plan to be one of the people that knows their shit.
as opposed to one of the people who uses them.
Neal: haha and u want to be a politician???
me: hey Neal.
do you know about the position called Chair of the Chiefs of Staff in our government?
Neal: no
but im sure to get there u have to use ppl
me: it's not elected.
interestingly enough, however.
the man who recently retired from the position had been there for thirty years.
Neal: your point?
politics = using ppl no matter what level your at
me: my point is that a large part of politicking is appealing to a very large group of stupid people.
that part, at least, is avoidable some of the time.
Neal: nope
not avoidable
ever
me: we all have our beliefs, Neal.
Neal: politics is dishonest to some extent in nature
its not an honest field
me: you can get pretty far with honesty.
Neal: only failed politicians are honest
me: maybe not in politics as such.
but it's a good. . . pre-political policy.
Neal: do u know we havent had a single honest president
me: because it certainly endears one to people.
5:55PM
Neal: if u tell the truth u cant compete with ppl who lie
me: that depends on a lot of things.
I know you will try like hell to convince me otherwise.
but I believe what I believe and like all fanatics, I will not be told otherwise.
sorry. :P
Neal: lol i just think politica not equal to u
politics
u should be a philosophy prof
or a lawyer even
but not a politician
me: any good politician should be one of those two things first anyway, I think.
in order to deal in weighty moral issues, one should have a grasp of what morality is, at its base level.
even if it gets mocked up a lot along the way.
Neal: morality doesnt exist
its a bunch of Bs
and i can defintaley beat u on this one
anyone who runs morality as a value is fucked if they debate me
me: if morality doesn't exist, Neal, what does?
what *important* does?
Neal: morality is not universal
me: right, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Neal: doesnt exist
b/c whats moral to u is not moral to me if our moralities conflict one doesnt trumo
trump
me: morality is personal.
again.
what is real if not what is personal to us?
more existentialism for you, Neal.
morality is what makes us human.
Neal: right but then ur equating morality to ideals
which isnt what it is
me: what is it then?
Neal: it doesnt exist
thats my point
6:00PM
me: now we're just getting into semantics.
Neal, this is not a debate round.
I believe what I beleive.
*believe
no one is judging.
me: lol right
but erin
ur
talking about how politicians
should be mora;
l
which is contradictory to ur perception of morality
b/c u just said its personal
me: read the Republic, or heard about its general contents?
Neal: but if its personal
how can u judge ppl on it
if their personal beliefs are diff than urs
me: welcome to the world of the GOP, Neal. xD
whoever's in power uses their morality to govern.
Neal: no i mean u just contradicted yourself
me: and it sucks.
I am kind of sort of libertarian in some of my beliefs because of the suckage of the GOP.
right.
Neal: u cant judge ppl on morals
its not something u can do
me: but people do.
Neal: but they cant
me: and *that* is politics.
Neal: wrong
me: I don't think you're quite cut out to run for president either, Neal.
Neal: politics is graft
yea im not cut out only for one reason
race
me: you wouldn't be you if you weren't Indian. you draw so much of your personality from it. xD
Neal: lol no im good at poltics
i dont mind corruption and i can bend rules and i know how to appeal to ppl
me: I think the greatest possible way to bend the rules in your favor is to work through them.
perfectly, with a smile on your face.
Neal: no
me: again, Neal, don't bother arguing. xD
Neal: lol i will debate you on thus
this resolved
: politicians can exist in an uncorrupted state
and u will lose if u affirm
me: only because of the word "politicians."
it has a negative connotation.
Neal: fine
policy makers
we will use that word
me: now we have a problem with the plural.
Neal: and il still beat u
fine a policy maker
me: because only *one* policy maker can exist in an uncorrupted state.
Neal: il still win
me: Plato would so eat you.
like.
he'd *hate* you. xD
Neal: plato was an asshole
he dint kno wwhat he was talking about
just pulled stuff out of his ass
brb
. . . and it unfailingly ends up on a "X the classical western thinker sucks" note. xD Man! I love talking to Neal.
: October 12, 2005 11:34 AM : October 13, 2005 10:18 AMcome home?
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